Listening to the Next Generation
▶️ Watch my conversation with Marc Ebinger on the "Let’s Talk Business" podcast
When I sat down with Marc Ebinger on his "Let’s Talk Business" podcast, I felt right at home sharing stories and wisdom. We talked about a lot of things, but one message came through strongest: executive leadership must evolve by listening to the next generation. I’ve seen times change and leadership change along with it. The world I entered as a young professional (and an Army man) isn’t the same world we’re in today, and thank the Lord for that. New voices are rising up. Our job as seasoned leaders is to listen.
I’ll be honest: I chuckle now thinking about my interview with Marc because I must have said "absolutely" about a hundred times. (What can I say? It’s my favorite affirmation word – and I absolutely know I overuse it!) But that enthusiasm comes from the heart. When I say “absolutely,” it’s because I feel the truth of what I’m saying in my bones. And one of those truths is that the younger generation has something to teach us, if we’re humble enough to hear it. I shared a story on the podcast about a young team member who once showed me a new way to streamline our workflow. At first my old-school pride whispered, “Now what’s this kid gonna teach me?” But I caught myself. I gave him the floor and, absolutely, he proved me wrong – his idea saved us time and money. Moments like that keep me humble and keep me learning.
Leadership in a Changing World
Growing up, I was raised on what I like to call front-porch wisdom. In our community, the elders spoke and the young folks listened. Respect flowed one way – upward. When I entered the Army in my twenties, I carried that with me. In the service, leadership was often top-down: orders given, orders followed. And there’s a time and place for that kind of structure. But even back then I noticed something: the best officers, the ones we truly respected, listened to the troops. They’d pull a young soldier aside and ask, “Son, what do you think about this approach?” They didn’t have to ask – but the fact that they did made all the difference. That stuck with me.
Fast forward to today’s corporate world, and leadership has evolved even more. It’s no longer about being the loudest voice in the boardroom; it’s about being the most attentive ear. The old leadership playbook where experience automatically meant you had all the answers – that book is out of print. In its place, a new chapter has been written by the generations coming up. Today’s young professionals value collaboration, transparency, and authenticity. They’re not shy about speaking up (sometimes to our chagrin, if we’re honest!). They ask “why” instead of just saying “yes, sir.” And you know what? That’s a good thing. It keeps us on our toes and challenges us to be better.
I often tell my fellow executives and veteran leaders: leadership isn’t a monologue, it’s a dialogue. When we started out, many of us thought wearing the title of VP or CEO meant we talked and others listened. But in a changing world, a true leader listens as much as he speaks – probably more. I’ve learned that you can’t lead people you refuse to hear. If we don’t pay attention to our younger teammates – their ideas, their concerns, their dreams – we risk leading organizations that are out of touch and left behind.
The Circle of Growth
On Marc’s podcast, I also introduced something dear to my heart: my leadership model, which I call the Circle of Growth. This model was born from decades of experience and a realization that leadership is not a straight line – it’s a continuous circle of learning and teaching. In the Circle of Growth, everyone has something to contribute, and everyone has room to grow, from the intern to the CEO. It’s a cycle where knowledge and mentorship flow freely in all directions, creating an environment where we lift each other up.
Let me break it down a bit. Over years in the Army National Guard and a career in business, I identified seven core values that keep that circle turning: self-awareness, courage, humility, integrity, empathy, learning, and execution. (Funny enough, those seven letters spell out my last name – Schiele – as if the idea was destined for me!) Living by these values means we integrate personal growth with professional growth. We stay self-aware enough to recognize when we don’t know everything. We find the courage to try new approaches and admit when old ways aren’t working. We remain humble and act with integrity, treating people right no matter their position. We practice empathy – truly seeing and valuing others’ perspectives. We keep on learning, every single day. And we execute – we put those lessons into action to improve our teams and organizations.
This Circle of Growth framework is all about empowerment and collaboration. It’s about creating a workplace culture where experience and youth fuel each other rather than collide. Think of a seasoned mentor guiding a young professional – sharing knowledge, yes, but also listening to the fresh ideas that young talent brings. Both people grow from that exchange. The veteran leader gains new insights and technical savvy; the younger leader gains wisdom and confidence. In my eyes, that’s a win-win situation. That’s the Circle of Growth in action – a continuous loop of mentorship, growth, and mutual respect. It transforms a team into a family of learners and a business into a place of purpose.
Shifting Mindsets to Stay Relevant
If you’ve been leading for decades like I have, it’s easy to feel the ground shifting beneath your feet. Technology is racing forward, social norms are changing, and a new generation is stepping into the workforce with its own ideas. How can we seasoned professionals stay relevant and connected? We have to be willing to shift our mindsets. Here are a few shifts I believe every experienced leader can embrace:
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Be a Student, Not Just a Teacher: The days of “knowing it all” are over. Embrace the fact that you can learn from 20-somethings just as they learn from you. Ask questions. Seek their input. Showing that you’re willing to learn not only keeps you sharp, it earns you respect. I often say, the moment you stop learning, you stop leading. Stay curious and open-minded, and you’ll remain relevant by default.
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Foster Genuine Connections: Take the time to understand what drives your younger colleagues. Their values might be different from what yours were at that age. Maybe they care deeply about work-life balance, social causes, or rapid career progression. Listen to their aspirations and fears. Share your own stories of successes and mistakes. By showing vulnerability and authenticity, you build trust across the generational divide. Remember, leadership is about relationships, not just results.
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Empower Rather Than Command: Shift from a commanding mindset to a coaching mindset. Instead of “Do it because I said so,” try “Here’s the goal – how do you think we can get there together?” Invite collaboration. Give younger team members ownership of projects and decisions. This doesn’t mean you step aside completely; it means you guide and support. You’ll find that people often rise to the occasion when you show faith in their abilities. Your role transforms from boss to mentor, and that shift creates a culture of growth and loyalty.
By making these mindset shifts, we older leaders don’t become obsolete – we become indispensable in a new way. We provide stability and context, while also championing innovation and change. It’s like being the roots of a tree: we ground the organization with our experience, but we also help nurture new branches and leaves so the whole tree reaches higher.
Growing Together for Lasting Legacy
At this point in my life and career, I’m often thinking about legacy. What do we leave behind, and who are we helping along the way? One thing I know for sure is that our legacy as leaders isn’t just in the profits we made or the titles we held – it’s in the people we touched and the leaders we nurtured. If you’re a seasoned professional reading this, I want to encourage you: your journey isn’t over – in fact, a beautiful chapter is just beginning. You have an opportunity to grow alongside the next generation, not apart from them.
Growing together means the young folks benefit from our wisdom, and we benefit from their fresh perspective. It means we show them the value of patience and long-term thinking, and they remind us of the power of passion and new ideas. It’s a two-way street. For me, nothing is more fulfilling than seeing someone I’ve mentored go on to become a confident leader in their own right. I take pride in their success as if it were my own. That’s the heart of my Circle of Growth model – knowing that when one of us grows, we all grow. The circle keeps expanding.
So to all my fellow veteran leaders: I urge you to lean into this evolving style of leadership. Don’t shy away from the changes; embrace them. Let the young leaders know you’re not just an authority figure, but also an ally and a student at times. Show them that respect goes both ways. Your willingness to adapt and listen does not diminish your authority – it enhances it. It shows true confidence.
In the end, leadership is a lifelong journey. I may have a few decades of experience under my belt, but I’m still learning every day – absolutely. And that’s a blessing. It keeps me young at heart and sharp in mind. We who have been around the block have so much still to give. Our influence is still immense, perhaps even more than ever, because we can blend the best of the old with the promise of the new. By growing alongside the next generation, we ensure that our legacy isn’t just something we leave behind, but something we carry forward together. Let’s continue to lead with open ears, open minds, and open hearts. The future is bright, and guess what? We seasoned leaders are still an important part of it – absolutely.